and so that had a big effect on me. and then, also, i knew many of the, um, writers even writers that had been blacklisted i had met, i met later in my life like maridel lassour and tilley olsen that are incredible and amazing writers that have been ignored in influence and sort of lost their momentum because of history. >> host: linda hogan, you open "dwellings" by saying you had long prayed for an eagle feather. >> guest: oh, yes. and the interesting thing is that i worked with the eagles, but it was illegal to take an eagle feather. so, you know, i had wanted an eagle feather. and i'd wanted the naming ceremony, actually, when i was young. and we didn't, we didn't have them that i knew of at the time. so, um, yes. and then, then i had an eagle feather. [laughter] >> host: what's the significance of an eagle feather? is. >> guest: you know, i couldn't explain it to you. what's the significance, i mean, they're like having something that's so, so, um, special. i mean, it's like -- >> host: a talisman? >> guest: it can